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Orm son of Magnus (c1095 - )

Parents: Magnus & unknown.

Born: c1095
Flourished: 1153-1159.       
Died: unknown.

Siblings: unknown.

Marriage: to Alice Walter.

Children
Roger born c1130
Warin (younger son) born c1130







Evidence
Sources
- Liber Feodorum (Book of Fees) also known as the Testa de Nevill 
- Fountains Abbey Chartulary
- Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters
- Cartulary of Burscough Priory
- Early Yorkshire Charters Volume 7
- Documents relating to the Priory of Penwortham & other possesions of the Abbey of Evesham
- Dodsworth MSS
- Victoria County History, Lancashire vol 7
- Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 1
- Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 2
- Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 
The earliest dated record of Orm son of Magnus, of between 1146 and 1153, has him witnessing a grant made by the nephew of the King of Scotland.
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A retrospective record (above) of Orm's marriage settlement by Alice Walter's father (undated) from the Liber Feodorum (literally 'Book of Fees' and also known as Testa de Nevill) fol. 818. This source was a listing of feudal landholdings or 'fees/fiefs' compiled during the 13th century, but from earlier records, for the use of the Exchequer.

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Orm son of Magnus witnessed a grant by William Fitz Duncan, son of Duncan II of Scotland and nephew of David I of Scotland who reigned 1124 - 1153. Significantly, this deed was also witnessed by William and Jordan, sons of Essolf. Orm's grandson Roger later married Amabella daughter of John son of Essolf.
Source: Early Yorkshire Charters Volume 7.
In 1137 William Fitz Duncan ['fitz' meaning 'son of'] married his second wife Alice de Rumilly, granddaughter of William le Meschines of Egremont. William controlled Allerdale, Skipton, Craven, and most of Cumbria. He led a Gaelic army at the Battle of Clitheroe in 1138.

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Between 1153 and 1160, Orm son of Magnus witnessed this confirmation of an earlier grant regarding the vill of Broughton, in Amounderness.
Source: Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters, Series XX Charter #II_Farrer p430.


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Between 1159 and 1164, Orm son of Magnus witnessed this grant by Richard Bussell, Baron of Penwortham. Also listed as witnesses were Roger son of Ravenkil and his son Richard, this last probably only recently of age. Richard married Margaret Banastre and their daughter Quenilda would later marry Jordan de Thornhill son of Jordan son of Essolf.
Source: Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters, Series XIV Charter #Ip374-5.

Orm son of Magnus also witnessed an undated grant by Richard Bussel in Penwortham MSS #V.



Thus far, the only direct reference - a copy of which is yet to be obtained - to Orm being 'de Hutton' appears to be in Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.6b which refers to a moiety [effectively half] of the vill of Hutton being held by Orm of the ancestors of Ranulph de Marsey. The very fact of it being a moiety should reveal more information about familial links.

There is also a passing reference to Rogeri filii Orm Grimesherham [Grimsargh, just NE of Preston] in the Kuerden MSS, Series XXI, Charter #I which can be found in Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p437. Again, thus far, no further connection with Grimsargh has been found.

At this point, as we are primarily concerned with Orm's younger son Warin and, as there is no separate page for Orm's older son Roger, who is clearly identified as being 'de Hutton', it is perhaps useful to list the records available for Roger de Hutton, son of Orm. For the sake of completeness, I have also included here some details of records for Roger's son Elias and his family.

Roger de Hutton

1160-1180 Grant to Roger son of Orm_Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.6b_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters Series XVII Charter #II p406-7_Farrer

1160-1180 Grant by Roger son of Orm [son of Magnus]_Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.7_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters, Series XVII, Charter #III_p409_Farrer

1189 (retrospective confirmation)  Refers to Rogeri filii Orm Grimesherham [Grimsargh]_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & early Lancs Charters Series XXI Charter #I p437_Farrer

undated Roger son of Orm son of Magnus_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p440-441_Farrer

In addition to the above charters, extensive editorial commentary, mostly by Farrer, can be seen in the following:-
Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p409-411
Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p437-442
Victoria County History of Lancashire vol 7 p108
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 2 p167-168
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p392-393


Details of the 'de Hutton' succession, and the way in which lands changed hands and between whom, can be found in Victoria County History of Lancashire Volume 7. This can also be accessed in full on British History Online. A quick shortcut for BHO is to search for 'Townships name of township', the townships concerned being Medlar, Hutton, Rawcliffe, Greenhalgh, Thistleton, Grimshargh and any others you come across in the records on these pages. Some of these entries will provide details of three or even four generations of the family - but it should be remembered that much of this detail is secondary evidence, often in the form of commentary by the author / editor.

Elias de Hutton, son of Roger son of Orm, and his family

Married Sapienta de Howick dau of Roger de Howick. Sold the manor of Hutton to Cockerham Abbey between 1201-1210 and died after 1226.

c1290 Elias de Hutton_Cartulary of Burscough Priory #141 p139-140
Elias & the mill at Hutton_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p437-438_Farrar
Elias de Hutton_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p440_Farrar
Elias son of Roger de Hutton grant_Cockersand Chartulary p166-167_Farrer
Elias son of Roger de Hutton grant_Cockersand Chartulary p173_Farrer
Robert son of Elias de Hutton re Medlar_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 1 p172_Farrar
Ysolt dau of Elias de Hutton_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p417-418_Farrar
Daughters of Elias re Hutton_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p439_Farrar

In addition to the above charters, extensive editorial commentary, mostly by Farrer, can be seen in the following:-
Orm, Roger, Elias re Hutton_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p392-393_Farrar
Roger de Hutton, Elias, Cicely re Medlar_Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 2 p167-168_Farrar
mill at Hutton_Ecclesiastical Lordship, Seigneurial Power & the Commercialization of Milling in Medieval England by A.Lucas