Thus far, the only direct reference - a copy of which is yet to be obtained - to Orm being 'de Hutton' appears to be in Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.6b which refers to a moiety [effectively half] of the vill of Hutton being held by Orm of the ancestors of Ranulph de Marsey. The very fact of it being a moiety should reveal more information about familial links.
There is also a passing reference to Rogeri filii Orm Grimesherham [Grimsargh, just NE of Preston] in the Kuerden MSS, Series XXI, Charter #I which can be found in Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p437. Thus far, no further connection with Grimsargh has been found.
It is possible that Agnes daughter of Orm de Holdsworth may have been the daughter of this Orm. She was involved in a dispute with John son of Essolf de Holdsworth.
At this point, as we are primarily concerned with Orm's younger son Warin and, as there is no separate page for Orm's older son Roger, who is clearly identified as being 'de Hutton', it is perhaps useful to list the records available for Roger de Hutton, son of Orm. For the sake of completeness, I have also included here some details of records for Roger's son Elias and his family.
Roger de Hutton
1160-1180 Grant to Roger son of Orm_Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.6b_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters Series XVII Charter #II p406-7_Farrer
1160-1180 Grant by Roger son of Orm (son of Magnus)_Dodsworth MSS lxxxviii fol.7_Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters, Series XVII, Charter #III_p409_Farrer
1189 (retrospective confirmation) Refers to
Rogeri filii Orm Grimesherham (Grimsargh)_
Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & early Lancs Charters Series XXI Charter #I p437_Farrer
(undated) Roger son of Orm son of Magnus_
Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p440-441_Farrer
In addition to the above charters, extensive editorial commentary, mostly by Farrer, can be seen in the following:-Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p409-411
Lancs Pipe Rolls 1130 & 1155-1216 & Early Charters p437-442Victoria County History of Lancashire vol 7 p108
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 2 p167-168
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p392-393
Details of the 'de Hutton' succession, and the way in which lands changed hands and between whom, can be found in Victoria County History of Lancashire Volume 7. This can also be accessed in full on British History Online. A quick shortcut for BHO is to search for 'Townships name of township', the townships concerned being Medlar, Hutton, Rawcliffe, Greenhalgh, Thistleton, Grimshargh and any others you come across in the records on these pages. Some of these entries will provide details of three or even four generations of the family - but it should be remembered that much of this detail is secondary evidence, often in the form of commentary by the author / editor.
Elias de Hutton, son of Roger son of Orm, and his familyMarried Sapienta de Howick
dau of Roger de
Howick. Sold the manor of Hutton
to Cockerham Abbey
between 1201-1210
and died after 1226.
c1290 Elias de Hutton_
Cartulary of Burscough Priory #141 p139-140Elias & the mill at Hutton_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p437-438_Farrar
Elias de Hutton_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p440_Farrar
Elias son of Roger de Hutton grant_
Cockersand Chartulary p166-167_Farrer
Elias son of Roger de Hutton grant_
Cockersand Chartulary p173_Farrer
Robert son of Elias de Hutton re Medlar_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 1 p172_Farrar
Ysolt dau of Elias de Hutton_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p417-418_Farrar
Daughters of Elias re Hutton_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p439_Farrar
In addition to the above charters, extensive editorial commentary, mostly by Farrer, can be seen in the following:-
Orm, Roger, Elias re Hutton_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 2 Part 1 p392-393_Farrar
Roger de Hutton, Elias, Cicely re Medlar_
Cockersand Chartulary Vol 1 Part 2 p167-168_Farrar
Mill at Hutton_
Ecclesiastical Lordship, Seigneurial Power & the Commercialization of Milling in Medieval England by A.Lucas
